False freedoms, Holy Cheats and Formal Lies to Tyrannize

By AdrianJ

"This supernatural gift, that makes a mite, think he's the image of the infinite - comparing his short life, void all the rest, to the eternal and the everblest." - Jon Wilmot

When the mortal mind invokes the image of divinity. We seem to stop nothing short of infinity. Why is this? Something seems amiss...

Could God also, like everything else in the universe have limits? Perhaps God is not what we think it is.

For instance: Does God really have a gender? If so, God would be mortal (and kind of frustrated), but I digress...

To those true believers I propose a simple set of questions, which at the end you will be presented with a short suggestion and thus adequately prepared to justify that "faith" you hold so dear, that places you 'above' the beasts in the field, your peers.

If God is the creator, then whence does evil sprout? Could not the almighty, omnipotent one do without? (or was God "tempted"?)

If God is not willing to pull out evil by its roots - is not "malevolent" a more appropriate label for yet another faith-based fable?

If God is not able, nor willing - is it God?

Or just another bogeyman -

A canvas by which I by arbitrarily, conveniently, inconsistently stroke to paint both peer and superior into my bitches without worrying a stitch as I have the indefatigable, inscrutable, indefinable "faith" to keep them in their niche when I can't explain the simplest of ideas?

God, in victory, is rather contradictory....don't you find?

Kill him, but not them - and most definitely tear him limb from limb. Even though I created you all? We would spank a child for doing this to his toys, and here we are, girls and boys committing acts of beneficent atrocities everyday.

Ironically, the most vicious examples in history are between groups that share the same "mystery" and have faith each atrocity brings them closer to the eternal dividends that the suffering of brethren will pay.

Perhaps we belabor a misconception, that good and evil exist at all. That it is human selfishness and corruption that causes all the destruction. Benevolence also fits into this room and diversifies our species appropriately.

You don't have to believe or have "faith" in evolution to see the obvious solution:

We have been adequately armed to deal with the as-the-yet unforeseen that despite your religious distinction could bring about all of our extinction?

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Published on Monday, June 16, 2008. Filed under: "Poetry"

Comments on "False freedoms, Holy Cheats and Formal Lies to Tyrannize"

A former member wrote: the piece shows promise but your thoughts are still confined in someone else's box here.....try thinking of god as neither fact nor fiction but simply a possiblity and nothing more than someone's idea of what's possibly next
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, AdrianJ (34) wrote:

The point was to convey the box that I was in at the time. I have spent more time than a reasonable person should studying dogma. It's not the walls that change, it's just the wallpaper...
A former member wrote: by the way look down i left a few more comments in all these comments
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, freudian-slip (236) wrote:

I dont' feel it's dark/evil. just dark enough to know us.
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, freudian-slip (236) wrote:

I do feel he has a HUGE sense of humor-and a dark side.
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, freudian-slip (236) wrote:

logically I see all of what your saying. i guess what I'm saying is my relationship with god... me and god, it's a stomach, gut thing. the one thing I can't put in words.
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, freudian-slip (236) wrote:

i don't think that hard on it, which appears pretty ignorant. but I'm peaceful with it.
A former member wrote: actually that's about the smartest thing any one person could do.....not dwell on it :)
On Monday, June 16, 2008, freudian-slip (236) wrote:

then there is this instinct thing...equally as confusing.
On Monday, June 16, 2008, freudian-slip (236) wrote:

free will. it's a bitch.
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Alanarchy (1168) wrote:

You should read American Gods. Good book. But again, we can't blame the blame, so we blame the invisible man. I think if there is a God, he isn't a control freak. He doesn't sit in front of a TV screen with a joy stick in his hands. He sets the stage, full of protagonists, lions, tigers, bears. He challenges us, because he wants us to overcome. Maybe he isn't benevolent. Maybe god is something nuetrel. Maybe he isn't sentient at all, just a floating sense of something. Maybe it doesnt exist. Maybe it does. Who knows. This isn't a matter for logic, my friend. Once again, it's a matter of faith, that thing you seem to be so down on. I don't know, dude. No one on darkpoetry knows, you don't know. No one knows at all. Maybe you don't even know after you die. Well I guess it would be niccce... If I could touch ya body. I know not everybody has got a body like you-o-o ;D
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, AdrianJ (34) wrote:

So basically, what you're saying is, that "God" is essentially the "Architect" from the second installment from the Matrix? I had this notion when I was a teenager - made me want to raise an army and kill God for being such a... how can this be, I'm a loss for words!
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, Alanarchy (1168) wrote:

LOL. Where the did you get me saying that? And even if I did, man. I don't have a fucking clue what god is. I can make assumptions, based on my opinions, which is all any of us can do. I said nothing. All I did was offer "maybe"s. I honestly think that if there is an afterlife at all, it's far more complicated, and far-reaching then any one still trapped in the flesh could ever even begin to compute.
A former member wrote: sadist...the word you are looking for is sadist
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Alanarchy (1168) wrote:

By the way, I dig this. I love the creative use of anti-structure-freeversy rhyme. Whateva. cool shit.
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Alanarchy (1168) wrote:

"Perhaps we belabor a misconception, that good and evil exist at all. That it is human selfishness and corruption that causes all the destruction. Benevolence also fits into this room and diversifies our species appropriately." Yup. But whats good for some is bad medicine for others. Can't we just say that we don't get the whole religion thing, and leave the people who do, and do no harm with it, alone?
On Monday, June 16, 2008, AdrianJ (34) wrote:

But then, we're working under the assumption - that "not all men are created equal" some 'get' religion and other's don't? Perhaps semantically splitting hairs, but what exactly is 'getting' it? Is it cognitive or are we talking about that indefinable realm of the 'spiritual'?
On Tuesday, June 17, 2008, Alanarchy (1168) wrote:

Some WANT religion. Other's don't. Still other's feel the need to bash what they don't understand. I had a religious friend who once asked me if I went to church. I said no, I stay spiritual in other ways. He told me, "well that's fine. I go to church, because it makes me feel better. I mean, you don't go to a hospital if you aren't sick, right."
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Withering petals (65) wrote:

questions that are all - valid. But I tend to think that its not God .... but us. I'm sure if the world were a highs chool God would be that young English teacher that all the Jocks have talked about time and again on how they've "tapped" that and then got heated up and fought over who really "had her." I hope God forgives me for the poor analogy (to a highschool english teacher at that!) but its the only way I could express it at the moment - I hated God for a while, for exactlyy these questions - but much more of the contradictions and the hypocracy comes from us than can actually be linked to God...and I guess in the end it comes down to rather or not we want to hold God accountable or ourselves(How can He not be accountable, He's the ultimate point of origin for everything, right?) - But I try to rationalize what I can and hope that one day when I do meet Him (if allowed to, lol, I don't know if He likes Cynics)I'm sure I'll have alot of questions for Him. Do I make any sense? lol - much appreciated work, ~Downstream~
On Monday, June 16, 2008, AdrianJ (34) wrote:

You do, and by the tenets of at least Christianity, God 'loves' all his creations - just some more than others ;-P My point being, is not if there "is" a God or "is not" but the God we manufacture and allow to constrict our free will most definitely not...When I meet God, I want to find out first, can he take a punch...
On Monday, June 16, 2008, elisa (1595) wrote:

..but the jews have all banks... the buddhist have all the enlightenment... the atheist have most the cynical bitchiness... and the muslims have an endless supply of rocks to throw at the holy land (till they get 'The Bomb').
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Sketso (416) wrote:

"If you love someone, set them free. If they come back they're yours; if they don't they never were." - Richard Bach ---I think that those who believe in God would say that this is why there is "good" and "evil." God, in the Christian sense, isn't portrayed as the GOOD who created evil, but rather that God is LOVE, and LOVE (and those things done in love) is good, while those things done without love would classify as evil. Thus, God being LOVE, showed the ultimate in love by giving man free will; a choice to act in love, or without it. He does not choose, set-aside, or sort out individuals. They, however, can choose to love or not. Thus, having said all that, God could not do without "evil", as to do so, he would have to force unbound, unconditional love... yet forced love is not TRUE love. I find no contradiction in that sense of "God." The contradictions begin to come when humans try to wrestle that vast concept into "rules and regulations".
On Monday, June 16, 2008, AdrianJ (34) wrote:

I get your point, but allow me to retort: If we have free will - then where does our social instinct come from? Why do people band together into nations, groups, societies and religions? Shouldn't we reject such constructs based on this premise of free will? What makes us more than apes who know how to fish? The answer lies in the benefits of the tribe. Grouping is beneficial, even if you have to relinquish freedom. But please, don't confuse free will as a choice between individuality and starving to death because the Christians have all the food...
On Wednesday, June 18, 2008, Sketso (416) wrote:

Yes, sometimes grouping, and "loving", requires some sacrifices of freedoms, but not freedom as a whole. It's still a choice whether or not to group or not... although most do more out of a mix of mutual benefit mixed with fear. Grouping has never indicated a lack of free will, IMO.
A former member wrote: grouping has nothing to do with free will and everything to do with fear and feelings of insecurity...
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Withering petals (65) wrote:

"I find no contradiction in that sense of "God." The contradictions begin to come when humans try to wrestle that vast concept into "rules and regulations". - I couldn't agree more Sketso.
On Monday, June 16, 2008, Sketso (416) wrote:

There's a response of sorts, although it is probably nowhere near as clear as I would like it to be.