Of Wicca, Cults, Organized Religions, et al...
By DIATRICUS
I am surprised to see so many at such a young age citing Wicca as their
religion [although now that I look back at this opening statement, I forget
that I’ve witnessed many of much older age who floated from one following
— be it “cult” or “Christian denomination” or what-not]. Sure,
I see Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc., as kids, but that's because of family
and community indoctrination, and general social conditioning, e.g.: If
you are born in a particular community, you are likely to follow that area's
social value set, religion being a major factor inherent. To be Wiccan
— or other similar alternative expressions — from my observation means
a mode of rejection of the major religions, or a need for establishing
identity, or both.
When I first left Christianity — at the ripe old age of 8 — I became
what I believed was an atheist (actually, I just became confused). Much
later, at 17, I was studying Ecclesiastes (required by my high school),
and realized that this author in the scriptures was just like me: asking
a lot of strange questions. In the end, I became what I am today, an Agnostic
(no, does not translate as "fence-sitter," much as the critics would have
you believe, but rather, "one who shoulders responsibility for personal
actions and believes that humans do not have the capacity to think on the
level of a God; comes from Greek: a gnos). I use my own background here
merely as a loose, but relevant analogy.
So, I have read books on Numerology, Astrology, Wicca, Tarot, and just
about everything in between. And though there are definitely insights to
be gleaned on the surface, I would assert that from a rhetorical point
of view, I find these explorations all incredibly lacking in merit and/or
grounding – they are not philosophically sound in structure or logically
presented. Sure, the major religions of the world have their fill of bull-shit
text, especially those of an “indoctrination” core context, but most
of the allegories, stories or moral tales are at least rooted in some value
that is necessary for personal and social well-being (not without imperfection,
either in interpretation and practice). In essence, though I fault the
major religions in terms of application as a control dynamic (at times
highly abusive even) — there is still much to be learned from excerpts
or even entire books contained within those doctrines. I do not find this
in any of the fringe religions, not even in voodoo (some forms of which
tap into Christianity in order to establish some measure of a foundation
– not to say that voodoo requires this connection, with its own bountiful
history), although voodoo comprises its own unique and highly interesting
set of devices worthy of extensive explication and study.
I'm in no way going to say that this or that text is better than any another,
or that the fringe religions (many of which pre-date even Christianity,
and Wicca, though not necessarily in its current form, being one of them)
are to be considered wasteful "mumbo jumbo" with nothing to offer — in
fact, Wicca subscribes to a sense of well-being, and an almost Karmic relationship
with Mother Earth and nature, which are aspects to be highly valued and
respected. What I am saying, is that much of what is written is not grounded
(you'll see a lot of that word in my writings): there appears to be a lacking
of composition/division characteristics; there are no cause and effect
relationships that can be discerned and presented in consistent fashion
(no matter where the stars are today, just to pick on Astrology a bit —
and I'm a devout double-Pisces!); there seems to be no sense or measure
of a proofing mechanism to build upon. Basically, without these qualifications
in place (and the major religions have lost much of them as well), a practitioner
is be unable to connect on a religious level — you lose the religious
aspect, and are left only with dogma and social structure.
So, I have two items to present to you, the reader, as bits and pieces
of information to ponder, and though neither are cryptic in nature, they
might each take some time to realize and become useful to you:
1) An ordered list of thoughts, actions, and perceptive filtering — levels
of behavioral application:
math (basic language)
scientific reasoning (meditative, single area)
science application (multiple areas, simple-systemic)
art (mastery of multiple sciences, infused and cohesive)
religion (simultaneous relating on multiple, mastered levels of communication
— advanced-systemic — a state of resonance on those levels, creating
higher degrees of perception)
So, why start with math (of which music, fine arts, theater, writing are
manifestations)? Because it is the one language that is strictly rooted
in a proofing mechanism, and the most sincere foundation of any discipline
(note the "soft-sciences" such as Psychology are lacking in that discipline).
There is no rejection of math, because you use it for every decision you
make, inherent at a bio-chemi-electrical level — there is only acceptance
and perfection of your own abilities to use this vital language.
2) An grand assumption on my part: let us say that God (no gender or quantity
reference required for this assumption) is all things, is everywhere, and
is all powerful. Argument: if the assumption is considered true, then there
is no measure of distinction, no realization of separation — such that
a bird sitting on a tree is the bird-tree for that instant, and so on,
such that all things are one [aside, you can see a great depiction of this
metaphysical concept in the movie "I Heart Huckabees," where Dustin Hofman's
character uses the blanket to describe the nature of the universe].
Now, what if this God wishes to sense or perceive the concept of separation,
this notion of distinction (and therefore, value by way of comparison)?
What better device to make judgments, to perceive a sense of separateness,
and to report value and distinction back to the source of inquiry than
a human? So, if you follow this quasi-argument to the next level, every
personal action becomes our own, unique expression, and our perceptions
and reporting (to God as it were, via our thoughts, argumentations, references
and 'proofs') become our own — respective to each of us — each of us,
presumably, given the assumption and argument here presented, has this
capability, this connection, this purpose, and in essence, it becomes then
our unique responsibility to be the best individuals in that reporting
chain that we can be, assisting God in realization the nature of the qualities
of separation and distinction — of uniqueness; of identity.
The first item above, being the order of thinking and behavior, seems nearly
Buddhist in nature (losing yourself in one-ness), while the second, being
the assumption-argument, re-asserts the necessity of perceived separation.
It's a cycle, and if you use religion as a means as I've described it (multiple-level
perception), then you become a true vehicle, able to make good of any information.
Well, these are just ideas. But, the point being, without grounding, then
any text becomes inherently useless, and we resort to a religious doctrine
(be it the grand Christian cult, or any fringe religious expression) for
answers to non-viable, and useless, trivial questions. An abuse of the
very act of “questioning,” which is the most powerful tool at our disposal...
So, be a Wicca if that suits you, or a Christian or Muslim at your whim.
But none of these, including my own attempts above, will assist you without
establishing a rooted foundation — well, that's my opinion anyway.
Not exactly a Eucharist for the soul, but definitely food for thought...
Comments on "Of Wicca, Cults, Organized Religions, et al... "
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A former member wrote:
I thought dogma, social structure, and/or ritualistic behavior, and history were all that any theological or mystical doctrine or practice ever amounted to. I have a question about math being implicated by every decision: if the decision is a poor decision, does that mean the decider didn't follow mathematical principles when deciding? I don't think I follow the separation/distinction point... not sure exactly what you're getting at there... are you trying to undermine the theory somehow? Finally, I would wonder why there is this need for a foundation... epistemologically, there need not be a foundation for there to be practical knowledge... coherentism, or a corroborating series of axioms can serve as a foundation when none of the individual axioms can be reduced to experiential grounds, and need not be verifiable, but by being collaboratively assumed, and mutually implicating, can serve as premises for inferential knowledge. At least, that's what I've heard... Interesting essay, no doubt.
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On Monday, September 29, 2008, DIATRICUS
(64) wrote:
A very prudent, interesting and valid question has been posited with regard to "math" itself being cited as the primary process for all decision-making, so I will answer: 1) As cognitive beings, we are bounded by the constraint of application of value in order to make a decision. Take a game of Hearts for example: you have 3-4-5 of hearts within your hand along with other suited cards, and an opponent leads out with a 2-hearts, so, first, you must play a heart, based on the lead, and second, it is of no bearing which heart you play, as they are all of the same exact value. 2) Math dedicates volumes toward value-manipulation, discovery (hidden variables) and explication within prescribed dynamics (relationships among variables -- interdependencies) as well as the notion of distinction (identification) and discrimination (selection -- essentially, making a choice). 3) So, math is, in my opinion, the primary, base language to be utilized in the pursuit outlined in the essay which spawned these comments. Thank you for you delightful insight into this complicated topic!
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A former member wrote:
I agree that when decisions are made deliberately, calculated, if you will, then there is a mathematical component, or at least a logical one, where logic is reducible to math; however, I would contend that not all choices or decisions are made with the assistance of logic or math. I give you president Bush as an example. I think that Hume has a point when he says that reason should be the slave of the passions; interpreted as motivation comes from passion more often than reason, and one's motivations for deciding are often irrational. That's kinda what I was hinting at with the comment about poor decisions implying a decider who knows not math. While we may reduce all chemical-biological functions to mathematical matrices and complex equations, that doesn't mean that the conscious action of decision making is following suit. Anything can be represented mathematically, it is the most abstract artificial language there is, with string theory and multiple dimensions and irrational and imaginary numbers, etc... but the psychology of decision making, rather than the bio-chemistry of decision making, seems to suggest that while reason is always an option, it is not always the preferred method for choosing action. Thanks for the post!
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On Monday, October 6, 2008, DIATRICUS
(64) wrote:
I see where you are coming from, but I have two exceptions: first, I don't believe that the reduction to a math-based thinking is necessarily materialistic, and if my statements somehow led to that conclusion, it would be extremely ironic, considering I'm a believer in dualism (by way of metaphorical resonance -- very, very long essay for that theory), and though I will concede the materialistic notion on subconscious levels, my second assertion is that my essay above was specifically directed at a conscious, directed effort -- the individual must be aware of their actions and make conscious choices, for which I believe a foundation in math will offer up more opportunities for advancement into the higher levels. Still, your comments continue to lend insight -- very much appreciated!
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A former member wrote:
I would have to agree that, provided the decision or choice is made consciously, then some form of mathematical or logical process is involved, but I would still contend that the act of decision making itself may not be very methodical at all... as Derrida indicates, the psychology of decision making may be more a survey of options and a blind choice motivated by passion or despair, or other influences that may not be logical but emotional, or even the very inability to reason well can lead to a choice or decision that defies logic, in full view of options and consequences... anyway, just some murmurs in the dark, as always, thanks.
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On Thursday, August 21, 2008, Solace
(1065) wrote:
It was a very well written discourse, i take token disagreement to 2) second paragraph. But thats mainly because you've set yourself up with the no separation argument, and then attempt to use humanity as a separation point of sorts. But god, as you present god, is already humanity - as he is everything, and thus never truly separates yet at the same time must understand the concept of separate by virtue of being party to separation. The perceived separation introduction afterwards clears this up to a point, but the idea that we are all gods looking glasses is a little strange :) Nonetheless this was an interesting little essay to come across. Cheers!
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On Thursday, August 21, 2008, Moonflower
(298) wrote:
you should read The Earth Chronicles-by Zecheria Sitchin..or at least look up the website...he shows you the foundation of all religion.